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	<description>Dispatches from an American in Romania (was Transylvania)</description>
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		<title>By: Romer!can</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19934</link>
		<dc:creator>Romer!can</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eFTy - I don't think Macs cost too much at all.  $600 for a Mini?  Don't let the name fool you into thinking it's a weak machine.  $1600 for an iMac which is a full computer plus 20" LCD?  I just now went to Dell and configured a somewhat simliar PC (thin box, wireless adapter, MS Works, security, keyboard, optical mouse, etc) and it came out to $1461.... but doesn't look as nice, makes far more noise, and eats up a lot more room -- plus it's got Vista *shudder*.

Macs do NOT cost more.  It's a myth.

Yeah, Ubuntu is pretty easy to try.   They'll either ship a CD to you or, what I recommend, you just download the latest version and burn your own CD.  Pop into the CD drive and reboot.  Ubuntu launches without any need for installation, just so you can kinda test it out.

Of course, running off a CD means the boot-time is a lot slower than off a hard drive, but you're just testing it out so no big deal.  Once it's booted, people can see the software it has, the software they can add for free, test their internet connection and all that stuff. Pretty cool for free.

From there, you can install it as a dual-boot so people keep their old Windows *and* get Ubuntu on the hard drive both.  I'd say that's pretty slick and well worth a try.

You're right it's a little weird to see the Bucuresti escorts driving around all pretty in their Porsche SUVs while others have a much harder time.  However, there are a lot more new cars on the road all over Romania, including the villages.  I see them in every town, large and small.  Everywhere.  So, some people are making money, even if it is unequally distributed.  Hopefully some of that levels off a bit, but I have to remember that it'll never be totally equal... unless you wanna go back in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eFTy - I don&#8217;t think Macs cost too much at all.  $600 for a Mini?  Don&#8217;t let the name fool you into thinking it&#8217;s a weak machine.  $1600 for an iMac which is a full computer plus 20&#8243; LCD?  I just now went to Dell and configured a somewhat simliar PC (thin box, wireless adapter, MS Works, security, keyboard, optical mouse, etc) and it came out to $1461&#8230;. but doesn&#8217;t look as nice, makes far more noise, and eats up a lot more room &#8212; plus it&#8217;s got Vista *shudder*.</p>
<p>Macs do NOT cost more.  It&#8217;s a myth.</p>
<p>Yeah, Ubuntu is pretty easy to try.   They&#8217;ll either ship a CD to you or, what I recommend, you just download the latest version and burn your own CD.  Pop into the CD drive and reboot.  Ubuntu launches without any need for installation, just so you can kinda test it out.</p>
<p>Of course, running off a CD means the boot-time is a lot slower than off a hard drive, but you&#8217;re just testing it out so no big deal.  Once it&#8217;s booted, people can see the software it has, the software they can add for free, test their internet connection and all that stuff. Pretty cool for free.</p>
<p>From there, you can install it as a dual-boot so people keep their old Windows *and* get Ubuntu on the hard drive both.  I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s pretty slick and well worth a try.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right it&#8217;s a little weird to see the Bucuresti escorts driving around all pretty in their Porsche SUVs while others have a much harder time.  However, there are a lot more new cars on the road all over Romania, including the villages.  I see them in every town, large and small.  Everywhere.  So, some people are making money, even if it is unequally distributed.  Hopefully some of that levels off a bit, but I have to remember that it&#8217;ll never be totally equal&#8230; unless you wanna go back in time.</p>
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		<title>By: eFTy</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19904</link>
		<dc:creator>eFTy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Macs cost a whallop, Windows is plain dumb, Linux kicks ass but takes time to learn and get right. However, Ubuntu directly from CD - that's too attractive not to try. I did enjoy Mandrake...

And yes, Romania is poor, and it'll be a very long time until that changes. Why do you think so many are looking to 'escape' ? There's also a heavy polarization. Bucharest has loads of luxury cars rolling on the streets, 20 year old chicks in 4x4 BMWs, etc., while in the country you see villages where they don't even have running water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macs cost a whallop, Windows is plain dumb, Linux kicks ass but takes time to learn and get right. However, Ubuntu directly from CD - that&#8217;s too attractive not to try. I did enjoy Mandrake&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, Romania is poor, and it&#8217;ll be a very long time until that changes. Why do you think so many are looking to &#8216;escape&#8217; ? There&#8217;s also a heavy polarization. Bucharest has loads of luxury cars rolling on the streets, 20 year old chicks in 4&#215;4 BMWs, etc., while in the country you see villages where they don&#8217;t even have running water.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ovidiu</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19767</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ovidiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Vista, you gotta see this:

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;7680622;fp;16;fpid;1

Now excuse me while I laugh my ass off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Vista, you gotta see this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;7680622;fp;16;fpid;1" rel="nofollow">http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;7680622;fp;16;fpid;1</a></p>
<p>Now excuse me while I laugh my ass off.</p>
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		<title>By: Romer!can</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19740</link>
		<dc:creator>Romer!can</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shadowchase - Interesting reminder that various people get jacked the world over.  The Vista muck has been everywhere, per usual.  But unlike with past releases, there is no stampede to go and get it.  Sales are far lower than expected.  Even websites like C&#124;Net, which usually get in the front line of the hype-machine, have quietly dropped &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnet.com/4520-13111_1-6687520-1.html"&gt;the big in-your-face promotion&lt;/a&gt; because no one is clicking.

Funny, I did take a whirl through and you know what I see?  I see all these computers being ranked as "barely sufficient" for "basic" Vista (i.e., don't expect to do anything with your computer besides turn it on).   I had to laugh at that.

Check out &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_TouchSmart_PC_IQ770/4505-3118_7-32305738.html"&gt;this one example&lt;/a&gt;.  Aesthetically, it's ugly as sin.  The review itself says it's slower than an iMac.  And yet it costs more!  (The only thing nice I can say is it has a touchscreen.)

I firmly believe that almost no reasonable person (without a hardcore philosophical objection to non-Free software) cannot really be so ignorant as to think the Mac "sucks" because it clearly does not.  If one or two people hug their Mac because it's a nice machine, that hardly makes them eccentric.  Just because you've never loved yours the same way...

Sometimes it sounds just like the playerhaters: "Yeah, well, I might be ugly, but at least I ain't got no money, bitch."

Don't worry about Microsoft updates.  They're only here to help you more easily flush out all the hackers they let into your computer so they can now surrender control of your PC to the corporations who are the real customers (instead of you).

Strudel - There was an interesting article I read somewhere which had excerpts from a recent interview with Bill Gates where he tried to pass off the "double price in Europe" as possibly stemming from currency exchange rates.  Of course, the smart journalist didn't buy that baloney.  Are we seeing a pattern here?

I'd say you're right.  Linux is the phoenix.  Once the burned out realm of line command junkies, it is now preparing to rise up from the ashes and spread its' wings.  Download &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop"&gt;Ubuntu&lt;/a&gt;, burn it to CD, there's no need to even install it.  Just run it off the CD, if all you want to do is see if it works.  Try it once or twice and keep Windows as long as you want.  Easy as pie.

Florin - Welcome to the show!  You've certainly shamed me and now I'm riddled with rich Western guilt.  How much shall I write you a check for, to make my pain go away?  Lemme know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shadowchase - Interesting reminder that various people get jacked the world over.  The Vista muck has been everywhere, per usual.  But unlike with past releases, there is no stampede to go and get it.  Sales are far lower than expected.  Even websites like C|Net, which usually get in the front line of the hype-machine, have quietly dropped <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnet.com/4520-13111_1-6687520-1.html">the big in-your-face promotion</a> because no one is clicking.</p>
<p>Funny, I did take a whirl through and you know what I see?  I see all these computers being ranked as &#8220;barely sufficient&#8221; for &#8220;basic&#8221; Vista (i.e., don&#8217;t expect to do anything with your computer besides turn it on).   I had to laugh at that.</p>
<p>Check out <a rel="nofollow" href="http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_TouchSmart_PC_IQ770/4505-3118_7-32305738.html">this one example</a>.  Aesthetically, it&#8217;s ugly as sin.  The review itself says it&#8217;s slower than an iMac.  And yet it costs more!  (The only thing nice I can say is it has a touchscreen.)</p>
<p>I firmly believe that almost no reasonable person (without a hardcore philosophical objection to non-Free software) cannot really be so ignorant as to think the Mac &#8220;sucks&#8221; because it clearly does not.  If one or two people hug their Mac because it&#8217;s a nice machine, that hardly makes them eccentric.  Just because you&#8217;ve never loved yours the same way&#8230;</p>
<p>Sometimes it sounds just like the playerhaters: &#8220;Yeah, well, I might be ugly, but at least I ain&#8217;t got no money, bitch.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about Microsoft updates.  They&#8217;re only here to help you more easily flush out all the hackers they let into your computer so they can now surrender control of your PC to the corporations who are the real customers (instead of you).</p>
<p>Strudel - There was an interesting article I read somewhere which had excerpts from a recent interview with Bill Gates where he tried to pass off the &#8220;double price in Europe&#8221; as possibly stemming from currency exchange rates.  Of course, the smart journalist didn&#8217;t buy that baloney.  Are we seeing a pattern here?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re right.  Linux is the phoenix.  Once the burned out realm of line command junkies, it is now preparing to rise up from the ashes and spread its&#8217; wings.  Download <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop">Ubuntu</a>, burn it to CD, there&#8217;s no need to even install it.  Just run it off the CD, if all you want to do is see if it works.  Try it once or twice and keep Windows as long as you want.  Easy as pie.</p>
<p>Florin - Welcome to the show!  You&#8217;ve certainly shamed me and now I&#8217;m riddled with rich Western guilt.  How much shall I write you a check for, to make my pain go away?  Lemme know!</p>
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		<title>By: shadowchase</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19691</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowchase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oui, i agree, it was merely a metaphor not a ridicule</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oui, i agree, it was merely a metaphor not a ridicule</p>
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		<title>By: C. Ovidiu</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19674</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Ovidiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed the point. He was talking about the western perception of Romania.</description>
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		<title>By: Florin</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19660</link>
		<dc:creator>Florin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Isn’t Romania that poor country where the people eat dirt to survive? Isn’t America that land of fat cats with gold bullion just falling out of their pockets?"

Poverty in Romania is a fact, which only morons ridicule. Eat dirt yourself, moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn’t Romania that poor country where the people eat dirt to survive? Isn’t America that land of fat cats with gold bullion just falling out of their pockets?&#8221;</p>
<p>Poverty in Romania is a fact, which only morons ridicule. Eat dirt yourself, moron.</p>
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		<title>By: strudel</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19625</link>
		<dc:creator>strudel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Italy Microsoft Software costs about twice then Usa. And you cannot buy it on line from Usa. Italian dealers blame Microsoft, Microsoft blames Italian pyrates, pyrates blame high prices. 

Linux = Old dear Arab Phoenix. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Italy Microsoft Software costs about twice then Usa. And you cannot buy it on line from Usa. Italian dealers blame Microsoft, Microsoft blames Italian pyrates, pyrates blame high prices. </p>
<p>Linux = Old dear Arab Phoenix. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowchase</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19614</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowchase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have experienced this kind of price gouging when living on a well-known, yet somewhat economically isolated U.S. island as opposed to pricing on the U.S. mainland.  I witnessed it again on inspecting the cost of imported electronic goods  in a sweet little part of the world known as Costa Rica.  As for a "fanboy that just wants to be cool", some of ya'lls needs to take a gander at the Windows Vista displays in the big box office products stores in the U.S.  Yuck!  Microsoft must think that this is the epitomy of being "cool".  Let me tell you that more than once those turkeys have "updated" my software only to cause me to have to reverse the hex that they have tangled.  Romania could use either (1) Romanian Apple manufacturer right there in the homeland or (2) Romanian Ebay.  In the meantime, U.S. computer manufacturers are missing an important segment of the world market that could be quite beneficial to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have experienced this kind of price gouging when living on a well-known, yet somewhat economically isolated U.S. island as opposed to pricing on the U.S. mainland.  I witnessed it again on inspecting the cost of imported electronic goods  in a sweet little part of the world known as Costa Rica.  As for a &#8220;fanboy that just wants to be cool&#8221;, some of ya&#8217;lls needs to take a gander at the Windows Vista displays in the big box office products stores in the U.S.  Yuck!  Microsoft must think that this is the epitomy of being &#8220;cool&#8221;.  Let me tell you that more than once those turkeys have &#8220;updated&#8221; my software only to cause me to have to reverse the hex that they have tangled.  Romania could use either (1) Romanian Apple manufacturer right there in the homeland or (2) Romanian Ebay.  In the meantime, U.S. computer manufacturers are missing an important segment of the world market that could be quite beneficial to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Romer!can</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2007/02/17/robbing-romania/#comment-19611</link>
		<dc:creator>Romer!can</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bogdan - w00t; scored yourself come goodies, eh?  I've been daydreaming about a new Mac before the next century, so I looked into the Romanian prices.  I understand there's a bit of some tariffs/duty but I am quite reluctant to believe that accounts for all the extra money involved.

It is contrary to all logic that import taxes accounted for the full US$1,123.  Not possible.  Check out this Irish comment about paying a &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/10/23/apple.europe.sales.grow/"&gt;premium upwards of 20%&lt;/a&gt; after the linked article.

Watch out!  I might be forced to throw in a few more Rand quotes right along with Kropotkin and anyone else who expresses a cogent idea on the role of government vis a vis the individual.

Mihnea - Welcome to the show!  I checked your photo gallery, particularly the Sighi shots and, of course, Monica.

iOnel - Welcome to the show!  I couldn't have summarized it better myself.  The large undercurrent trend in Europe is a world away from Windows hegemony (a world the majority of folks have not yet experienced) and toward systems like Apple's quality offerings and (I think radically moreso as time passes) the Free/free distributions like Ubuntu.

It would be nice to see Apple (or it's Romanian subsidiary/partner) remove the artificial barrier to adoption caused by unjustifiable (in my mind) premiums.  The high taxes/customs are already enough.

Jonathan - Welcome to the show!  Your opening remarks makes me cringe as I've been looking at Canon printers in Carrefour (our local megamart) where the choices are sparse and overpriced.  I did not give in to my desires, so I'm experiencing a little vertigo to hear you took the plunge.

While I can imagine that the Canon printer may very well be subject to a near 30% import duty (&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.buyusa.gov/romania/en/33.html"&gt;characterized as EU discrimination by the US Department of Commerce&lt;/a&gt;), it would appear that computer hardware such as Apple computer systems are not subject to such a high rate of customs duties.

Granted, I'm no expert and having a bit difficulty finding the specific applicable tariff rate at the &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?Lang=EN"&gt;European Commission's Taxation and Customs Union database&lt;/a&gt; for &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&#038;Type=0&#038;Action=1&#038;Lang=EN&#038;SimDate=20060218&#038;YesNo=1&#038;Indent=-1&#038;Flag=1&#038;Test=tarchap&#038;Periodic=0&#038;Download=0&#038;Taric=8471300000&#038;taric=Browse&#038;Country=RO%2F0066&#038;Day=18&#038;Month=02&#038;Year=2006#OK"&gt;TARIC 8471300000&lt;/a&gt; (MacBook laptops, I believe) and &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&#038;Type=0&#038;Action=1&#038;Lang=EN&#038;SimDate=20060218&#038;YesNo=1&#038;Indent=-1&#038;Flag=1&#038;Test=tarchap&#038;Periodic=0&#038;Download=0&#038;Taric=8471410090&#038;taric=Browse&#038;Country=RO%2F0066&#038;Day=18&#038;Month=02&#038;Year=2006#OK"&gt;TARIC 8471410090&lt;/a&gt; (iMac/Mini, I believe), but elsewhere -whose source escapes me- I was being (mis?)lead to the understanding that such taxes and fees were substantially less than 30%.

Maybe someone else can fill us in with accurate specifics.

Nevertheless, I remain ensconced in the position that Apple should strongly endeavor to end such outrageous premiums by whatever means necessary, be that by reducing their prices to some degree, by negotiation in Brussels, or setting up a small manufacturing facility here in Europe (Romania!) which licenses technology, et cetera, as so many other international biggies do.

Having said all that, you're damn skippy those vultures try to soak whomever they can for whatever they can without ever exerting any effort except to look into the media camera to say, "don't worry comrade, I'm obstructing free trade for your benefit."

cucu - Welcome to the show!  I think "fanboy" is an overused ad hominem that's rapidly approaching Godwin's Law status.   Too bad, because folks can make good points without resorting to such mindless silliness.

I'd venture to say that Apple is cool.  But it's not cool because "everyone thinks so."   If they did, Apple would have a much larger market share.  As it is, the herded masses seem to believe Windows is "cool because it's popular."  Which is no reason to be cool.  In any event, Apple is cool to just about anyone whose used it for more than a couple months (and doesn't have a philosophical objection to non-Libre software).  Typically speaking, their products work wonderfully well and are very powerful.

In fact, they haven't been overpriced for about 5-7 years now, depending on which details we're talking about.  But there's a difference between being overpriced and being expensive.  For example, &lt;a href="http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=23741"&gt;the crap that passes for cheese&lt;/a&gt; -- Kraft Singles "processed cheese food product" --  ain't expensive in price, but as it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; vastly overpriced.  Know what I mean, Vern?

While it would be most correct to say a smart person is one who would intelligently weigh the benefits of relevant solutions to addressing their individual computing needs, I do, ultimately, share your vision about Linux.  I think it's become clear (to non-bleeding edge adopters) that Linux is the future of mainstream desktop computing in our homes and offices.  It won't be overnight, but it is now unstoppable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bogdan - w00t; scored yourself come goodies, eh?  I&#8217;ve been daydreaming about a new Mac before the next century, so I looked into the Romanian prices.  I understand there&#8217;s a bit of some tariffs/duty but I am quite reluctant to believe that accounts for all the extra money involved.</p>
<p>It is contrary to all logic that import taxes accounted for the full US$1,123.  Not possible.  Check out this Irish comment about paying a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/10/23/apple.europe.sales.grow/">premium upwards of 20%</a> after the linked article.</p>
<p>Watch out!  I might be forced to throw in a few more Rand quotes right along with Kropotkin and anyone else who expresses a cogent idea on the role of government vis a vis the individual.</p>
<p>Mihnea - Welcome to the show!  I checked your photo gallery, particularly the Sighi shots and, of course, Monica.</p>
<p>iOnel - Welcome to the show!  I couldn&#8217;t have summarized it better myself.  The large undercurrent trend in Europe is a world away from Windows hegemony (a world the majority of folks have not yet experienced) and toward systems like Apple&#8217;s quality offerings and (I think radically moreso as time passes) the Free/free distributions like Ubuntu.</p>
<p>It would be nice to see Apple (or it&#8217;s Romanian subsidiary/partner) remove the artificial barrier to adoption caused by unjustifiable (in my mind) premiums.  The high taxes/customs are already enough.</p>
<p>Jonathan - Welcome to the show!  Your opening remarks makes me cringe as I&#8217;ve been looking at Canon printers in Carrefour (our local megamart) where the choices are sparse and overpriced.  I did not give in to my desires, so I&#8217;m experiencing a little vertigo to hear you took the plunge.</p>
<p>While I can imagine that the Canon printer may very well be subject to a near 30% import duty (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.buyusa.gov/romania/en/33.html">characterized as EU discrimination by the US Department of Commerce</a>), it would appear that computer hardware such as Apple computer systems are not subject to such a high rate of customs duties.</p>
<p>Granted, I&#8217;m no expert and having a bit difficulty finding the specific applicable tariff rate at the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?Lang=EN">European Commission&#8217;s Taxation and Customs Union database</a> for <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&#038;Type=0&#038;Action=1&#038;Lang=EN&#038;SimDate=20060218&#038;YesNo=1&#038;Indent=-1&#038;Flag=1&#038;Test=tarchap&#038;Periodic=0&#038;Download=0&#038;Taric=8471300000&#038;taric=Browse&#038;Country=RO%2F0066&#038;Day=18&#038;Month=02&#038;Year=2006#OK">TARIC 8471300000</a> (MacBook laptops, I believe) and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&#038;Type=0&#038;Action=1&#038;Lang=EN&#038;SimDate=20060218&#038;YesNo=1&#038;Indent=-1&#038;Flag=1&#038;Test=tarchap&#038;Periodic=0&#038;Download=0&#038;Taric=8471410090&#038;taric=Browse&#038;Country=RO%2F0066&#038;Day=18&#038;Month=02&#038;Year=2006#OK">TARIC 8471410090</a> (iMac/Mini, I believe), but elsewhere -whose source escapes me- I was being (mis?)lead to the understanding that such taxes and fees were substantially less than 30%.</p>
<p>Maybe someone else can fill us in with accurate specifics.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I remain ensconced in the position that Apple should strongly endeavor to end such outrageous premiums by whatever means necessary, be that by reducing their prices to some degree, by negotiation in Brussels, or setting up a small manufacturing facility here in Europe (Romania!) which licenses technology, et cetera, as so many other international biggies do.</p>
<p>Having said all that, you&#8217;re damn skippy those vultures try to soak whomever they can for whatever they can without ever exerting any effort except to look into the media camera to say, &#8220;don&#8217;t worry comrade, I&#8217;m obstructing free trade for your benefit.&#8221;</p>
<p>cucu - Welcome to the show!  I think &#8220;fanboy&#8221; is an overused ad hominem that&#8217;s rapidly approaching Godwin&#8217;s Law status.   Too bad, because folks can make good points without resorting to such mindless silliness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d venture to say that Apple is cool.  But it&#8217;s not cool because &#8220;everyone thinks so.&#8221;   If they did, Apple would have a much larger market share.  As it is, the herded masses seem to believe Windows is &#8220;cool because it&#8217;s popular.&#8221;  Which is no reason to be cool.  In any event, Apple is cool to just about anyone whose used it for more than a couple months (and doesn&#8217;t have a philosophical objection to non-Libre software).  Typically speaking, their products work wonderfully well and are very powerful.</p>
<p>In fact, they haven&#8217;t been overpriced for about 5-7 years now, depending on which details we&#8217;re talking about.  But there&#8217;s a difference between being overpriced and being expensive.  For example, <a href="http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=23741">the crap that passes for cheese</a> &#8212; Kraft Singles &#8220;processed cheese food product&#8221; &#8212;  ain&#8217;t expensive in price, but as it <em>is</em> vastly overpriced.  Know what I mean, Vern?</p>
<p>While it would be most correct to say a smart person is one who would intelligently weigh the benefits of relevant solutions to addressing their individual computing needs, I do, ultimately, share your vision about Linux.  I think it&#8217;s become clear (to non-bleeding edge adopters) that Linux is the future of mainstream desktop computing in our homes and offices.  It won&#8217;t be overnight, but it is now unstoppable.</p>
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