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	<description>Dispatches from an American in Romania (was Transylvania)</description>
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		<title>By: Romer!can - Dispatches from an American in Transylvania</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>Romer!can - Dispatches from an American in Transylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That couldn&#8217;t possibly be right. I remember last year&#8217;s discussion about the exciting BPL developments in Romania that a number of kindly folks tried to explained to me that Astral was offering 1.5Mbps for 23€. In fact, back then Astral used to actually list their prices. Maybe not on the English portion of their website, but at least in the romaneşte. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That couldn&#8217;t possibly be right. I remember last year&#8217;s discussion about the exciting BPL developments in Romania that a number of kindly folks tried to explained to me that Astral was offering 1.5Mbps for 23€. In fact, back then Astral used to actually list their prices. Maybe not on the English portion of their website, but at least in the romaneşte. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Romerican</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>Romerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you read through the site, you'll see I've had *some* troubles with Romtelecom.  They seem to come and go, moreso than the United States and western Europe.  

With that disclaimer out of the way, if money is no object and bandwidth is the primary concern, then you cannot do better than Romtelecom ADSL2... at this time (2006).

I am beginning to think the best *value* is probably one of the higher-speed cable accounts, if you're looking for the best bang for your buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you read through the site, you&#8217;ll see I&#8217;ve had *some* troubles with Romtelecom.  They seem to come and go, moreso than the United States and western Europe.  </p>
<p>With that disclaimer out of the way, if money is no object and bandwidth is the primary concern, then you cannot do better than Romtelecom ADSL2&#8230; at this time (2006).</p>
<p>I am beginning to think the best *value* is probably one of the higher-speed cable accounts, if you&#8217;re looking for the best bang for your buck.</p>
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		<title>By: volker</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>volker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... sooo, at the end of the day, what's the best offer for a (serious) bandwidth addict (and I mean this!) moving to Romania? Romtelecom's ADSL express?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; sooo, at the end of the day, what&#8217;s the best offer for a (serious) bandwidth addict (and I mean this!) moving to Romania? Romtelecom&#8217;s ADSL express?</p>
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		<title>By: Romerican</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Romerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as follow up on the Electrica thread: it turns out my suspicions were right.  

http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=23550

The government is selling off the various Electricatopus branches and making a bundle.  So, competition will indeed arrive and BPL should become a factor... to the benefit of us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as follow up on the Electrica thread: it turns out my suspicions were right.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=23550" rel="nofollow">http://www.daily-news.ro/article_detail.php?idarticle=23550</a></p>
<p>The government is selling off the various Electricatopus branches and making a bundle.  So, competition will indeed arrive and BPL should become a factor&#8230; to the benefit of us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Romerican</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Romerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see, Andrei.  So they write up some limitations to protect themselves legally (in the same way they say the advertised upload and download speeds are burst, not Committed Information Rate) and in practice you pretty much get away with murder.  Nice!

I still have a quibble with the use of nelimitat, but I suppose it's not a debate worth having.  That's good news!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, Andrei.  So they write up some limitations to protect themselves legally (in the same way they say the advertised upload and download speeds are burst, not Committed Information Rate) and in practice you pretty much get away with murder.  Nice!</p>
<p>I still have a quibble with the use of nelimitat, but I suppose it&#8217;s not a debate worth having.  That&#8217;s good news!</p>
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		<title>By: andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "nelimitat" part is not completely untrue (the traffic is unlimited): after the 4, 8 or 16 GB limit they say they will limit your speed down from 512, 768 or 1024 kbps to 192 or 256 kbps. In practice this never happens as they haven't metered the traffic at all during the last year.

In December 2002 when I first started on Rdslink the only available speed was 128 kbps and the subscriptions varied in terms of allowed traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;nelimitat&#8221; part is not completely untrue (the traffic is unlimited): after the 4, 8 or 16 GB limit they say they will limit your speed down from 512, 768 or 1024 kbps to 192 or 256 kbps. In practice this never happens as they haven&#8217;t metered the traffic at all during the last year.</p>
<p>In December 2002 when I first started on Rdslink the only available speed was 128 kbps and the subscriptions varied in terms of allowed traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Romerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei, I may be slightly off then and I appreciate your insight.  I wizzed around the RDS site, but never found the link you pointed out (until now).

My Romaneste is far from perfect.  Indeed, it barely exists.  So, I found navigating a non-English version a bit cumbersome and relied on my discussions with friends to understand how RDS works.  Perhaps they have different service agreements (or old ones!).

What I think is funny is how the ISPs all claim "nelimitat" and then immediately contradict that by announcing a limitation on data transfers.

I know the argument is that "nelimitat" refers to time.  We had this same bullplop in the US several years ago when companies claimed "unlimited service" and then set limitations.  It took a year or two to work itself out, but eventually the providers stopped lying to customers.

Limited data quotas are not "nelimitat."  Period.  End of story.

I'm sorry to learn that RDS is playing the mobile phone network game by differentiating calls on and off the network.  I know this is very much an American bias for me, but these are strictly a shell game for telecoms to try and lock in customers through viral marketing (i.e., no cost).  

I'm sure the first reaction is "well, hey, it's cheaper!"  Unfortunately, that is a misperception based on marketing propaganda.  You see, if they did The Right Thing(tm) and open up networks to peer providers then you could call anyone on any network for the low prices instead of being artificially limited to calling ONLY people on the same network.  

It's a joke and will probably require legislation to change it.  If that happens.  Zapp seems to be ahead of the others on pricing and close to a more open network type structure.  

I plan on talking about cellular service in Romania another time in a different post.

Thanks for your information on RDS, I appreciate it.  The price for your service is pretty good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei, I may be slightly off then and I appreciate your insight.  I wizzed around the RDS site, but never found the link you pointed out (until now).</p>
<p>My Romaneste is far from perfect.  Indeed, it barely exists.  So, I found navigating a non-English version a bit cumbersome and relied on my discussions with friends to understand how RDS works.  Perhaps they have different service agreements (or old ones!).</p>
<p>What I think is funny is how the ISPs all claim &#8220;nelimitat&#8221; and then immediately contradict that by announcing a limitation on data transfers.</p>
<p>I know the argument is that &#8220;nelimitat&#8221; refers to time.  We had this same bullplop in the US several years ago when companies claimed &#8220;unlimited service&#8221; and then set limitations.  It took a year or two to work itself out, but eventually the providers stopped lying to customers.</p>
<p>Limited data quotas are not &#8220;nelimitat.&#8221;  Period.  End of story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to learn that RDS is playing the mobile phone network game by differentiating calls on and off the network.  I know this is very much an American bias for me, but these are strictly a shell game for telecoms to try and lock in customers through viral marketing (i.e., no cost).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the first reaction is &#8220;well, hey, it&#8217;s cheaper!&#8221;  Unfortunately, that is a misperception based on marketing propaganda.  You see, if they did The Right Thing(tm) and open up networks to peer providers then you could call anyone on any network for the low prices instead of being artificially limited to calling ONLY people on the same network.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a joke and will probably require legislation to change it.  If that happens.  Zapp seems to be ahead of the others on pricing and close to a more open network type structure.  </p>
<p>I plan on talking about cellular service in Romania another time in a different post.</p>
<p>Thanks for your information on RDS, I appreciate it.  The price for your service is pretty good!</p>
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		<title>By: andrei</title>
		<link>http://romerican.com/2006/03/05/cutting-edge-technology-bpl-in-ro/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I forgot to mention, they gave me a free telephone subscription (including 100 free minutes to Romtelecom lines per month, 1000 free minutes in their network per month) plus a free phone. The phone service didn't work so well about a year ago, but now is almost as stable as my Romtelecom line (also it's always cheaper to call using my RDS phone no matter what the destination is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I forgot to mention, they gave me a free telephone subscription (including 100 free minutes to Romtelecom lines per month, 1000 free minutes in their network per month) plus a free phone. The phone service didn&#8217;t work so well about a year ago, but now is almost as stable as my Romtelecom line (also it&#8217;s always cheaper to call using my RDS phone no matter what the destination is).</p>
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		<title>By: andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your RDS comments a bit inaccurate.

Take a look at the current "abonamente":

http://www.rdslink.ro/cablelink/cable_abonamente.htm

The speed is between 512kbps and 1 Mbps and there is no local 3 Mbps speed that I am aware of.

I am in Bucharest and pay 15USD for the 768kbps version. I am quite happy with their service - I'm downloading at the maximum speed most of the time - both from Romania and from outside Romania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your RDS comments a bit inaccurate.</p>
<p>Take a look at the current &#8220;abonamente&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rdslink.ro/cablelink/cable_abonamente.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rdslink.ro/cablelink/cable_abonamente.htm</a></p>
<p>The speed is between 512kbps and 1 Mbps and there is no local 3 Mbps speed that I am aware of.</p>
<p>I am in Bucharest and pay 15USD for the 768kbps version. I am quite happy with their service - I&#8217;m downloading at the maximum speed most of the time - both from Romania and from outside Romania.</p>
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		<title>By: Romerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, that's very informative.

So, lei for lei, Astral clearly sounds like the best deal IF you can get it in your area.  They seem to be offering a value which is roughly on par with the rest of Europe.

Multumesc for the RDS reclama link.  That's hilarious!  I have a buddy in Cluj on RDS cable and his connection is incredibly flakey just like what you describe.  Of course, he adapted a little by running a little program to analyze throughput per hour.  It wasn't long before he saw clear patterns about which hours worked best and he started scheduling his online time for those hours. I think he's nuts to wake up at 4am to play WOW though.

I am beginning to suspect that Electrica is octopus of PSD creation.  I'll have to try and research it more in the future.  However, be that as it may, the leadership of Electrica would be fools if they don't see a clear advantage in immediately expanding their availability to provide BPL/PLC services throughout larger and larger segments of Romania.  Perhaps mistakenly, I was under the impression they saw the HUGE reveneue opportunity in front of them.  By jumping into the fray with Romtelecom, Astral, RDS, et al., Electricatopus could really change itself from a tepid acquisition target for foreign investors (Austria, eh?) into a real powerhouse capable of controlling its own destiny (buyouts of Slovakia, Slovenia, and Serbia anyone?).

Want to know my brilliant plan for localized power generation?  Okay, it's a bit like hydroelectric in concept, but it has the added bonus of being extremely popular with the Romanian citizenry as well.  First, I drive around Brasov in a Trabant wagon armed with a long pole and retractable wire loop just like the Animal Control professionals use.  I wave bacon out the window to attract the right attention and then clean up the streets by dognapping my hapless victims (except Boschito, who I will turn loose, of course).  As the throngs of onlookers cheer my vigilante good deeds, I whisk the booty back to my pirate lair and one-by-one attach each caine to the leather harness until I have several sled-dog teams worth.  You'll have to imagine I've already constructed the necessary mousecage exercise wheels (sized to scale, obviously).  So, I place a stray female in heat in front of the wheels and let the males run for her... the wheels keep turning... and like Dr. Frankenstein, I marvel at the genius of my creation.

Hmm.. think I could get a patentn on that?

Listen, I plan on keeping an eye out on the BPL development in RO.  It's hard to imagine it will go any slower than America where it's nothing more than a whispered rumor, really.  Even the most corrupt of communist benefactors has a small chance to eventually realize they need to diversify their revenue base if they intend to survive the evolution of competition.  Da, da.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, that&#8217;s very informative.</p>
<p>So, lei for lei, Astral clearly sounds like the best deal IF you can get it in your area.  They seem to be offering a value which is roughly on par with the rest of Europe.</p>
<p>Multumesc for the RDS reclama link.  That&#8217;s hilarious!  I have a buddy in Cluj on RDS cable and his connection is incredibly flakey just like what you describe.  Of course, he adapted a little by running a little program to analyze throughput per hour.  It wasn&#8217;t long before he saw clear patterns about which hours worked best and he started scheduling his online time for those hours. I think he&#8217;s nuts to wake up at 4am to play WOW though.</p>
<p>I am beginning to suspect that Electrica is octopus of PSD creation.  I&#8217;ll have to try and research it more in the future.  However, be that as it may, the leadership of Electrica would be fools if they don&#8217;t see a clear advantage in immediately expanding their availability to provide BPL/PLC services throughout larger and larger segments of Romania.  Perhaps mistakenly, I was under the impression they saw the HUGE reveneue opportunity in front of them.  By jumping into the fray with Romtelecom, Astral, RDS, et al., Electricatopus could really change itself from a tepid acquisition target for foreign investors (Austria, eh?) into a real powerhouse capable of controlling its own destiny (buyouts of Slovakia, Slovenia, and Serbia anyone?).</p>
<p>Want to know my brilliant plan for localized power generation?  Okay, it&#8217;s a bit like hydroelectric in concept, but it has the added bonus of being extremely popular with the Romanian citizenry as well.  First, I drive around Brasov in a Trabant wagon armed with a long pole and retractable wire loop just like the Animal Control professionals use.  I wave bacon out the window to attract the right attention and then clean up the streets by dognapping my hapless victims (except Boschito, who I will turn loose, of course).  As the throngs of onlookers cheer my vigilante good deeds, I whisk the booty back to my pirate lair and one-by-one attach each caine to the leather harness until I have several sled-dog teams worth.  You&#8217;ll have to imagine I&#8217;ve already constructed the necessary mousecage exercise wheels (sized to scale, obviously).  So, I place a stray female in heat in front of the wheels and let the males run for her&#8230; the wheels keep turning&#8230; and like Dr. Frankenstein, I marvel at the genius of my creation.</p>
<p>Hmm.. think I could get a patentn on that?</p>
<p>Listen, I plan on keeping an eye out on the BPL development in RO.  It&#8217;s hard to imagine it will go any slower than America where it&#8217;s nothing more than a whispered rumor, really.  Even the most corrupt of communist benefactors has a small chance to eventually realize they need to diversify their revenue base if they intend to survive the evolution of competition.  Da, da.</p>
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